Women In The Military

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:01 am

RebeccaMc wrote:

I personally think that God created men to be in the leader/protector role. Military is very much a leader/protector role, so it doesn't seem to fit women. There may be women who would be good soldiers, but I don't think it's where God intended them to be. Women were created to be the help-meet for man, not to take his role.

What she said!

And I like your thoughts Peter. It makes sense!

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Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:59 pm

Bubblies wrote:

Maybe God didn't plan those roles at all and they just happened.

I think that if you look at the entirety of the Bible, you see a very clear picture of the husband as leader/protector and the wife as completer. I do not buy into the "women were created as help-meet" thing, becuase "help-meet" in the English implies a "helper" or "tag-along" attituded. Ironically, the same word used to describe Eve as Adam's "help-meet" is used to describe God as Israel's "helper." I don't think God was Israel's "tag-along" or "helper" in a weak, "feminine" sort of way. That being said, the roles are biblical. The applications of those roles, however, fall under the category of "Christian liberty."

I believe that women in the military happens to be one such application that falls under Christian liberty. I think it unwise to put women in combat situations, but other military roles - I see no problem with.

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I do think that woman are the help meet (or help suited for) the man. I don't know what the problem with helper or tag-along is, since that seems to fit perfectly with husband and wife. Isn't the wife supposed to be the helper for the husband?

And just to clarify for me, what military roles are you thinking of that a woman could be in? (Don't say non-combat, that's a bit general. Very Happy

) What specific roles?

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:02 pm

Honestly, I don't know enough about the military to be any more specific. As I've said, I don't have a problem with it in principle, but I think a man fighting a woman in combat is a bit....wrong.

My only point with the "helper" or "tag-along" interpretation of the word is that it doesn't actually fit the original language. The word is used to describe God. God isn't a "tag-along" helper to Israel. All I'm saying is that we have to be consistent in interpretation and the conservative interpretation of "help-meet" in regards to women is not consistent and cannot be used as an interpretation where this word is used elsewhere in scripture.

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Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:47 pm

Sparkling4Him wrote:

Loving the pet names. Which verse are they from??
Razz

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:51 pm

Non-combat roles include:
-Admin
-Logistics
-Rear Comm
-Cooking
-MP work
-Computer Work
-Rear Maintinance
-Intel (women excel there, if anyone makes a joke about that..... )
-Rear Medical
-Piloting (still bad experiences)
-Being in Bands Laughing Really Hard

-ECM/ECC
-Languistics
-And last but not least showing up on 29 Palms from time to time to remind me what a female is.

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:01 pm

Hey! You makin' fun of military bands?!?! In my business, that's quite an honor and achievement! Laughing

Although, I probably won't audition for one, I do have a friend who auditioned for one and made it!

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Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:07 pm

hmm, I see the man the woman's helper. and the woman the mans helper.. its a two way road.

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:42 pm

Musicgirl... wrote:

Hey! You makin' fun of military bands?!?! In my business, that's quite an honor and achievement! Laughing

Although, I probably won't audition for one, I do have a friend who auditioned for one and made it!

Yeah, bad people and grunts just don't mix. It's not that we don't like them or think they're untallented it's the same deal with other non grunts. They wear the same uniform as us get the same recognition and do a fraction of the work. So we don't like them. 29 Palms grunts are a disgrunteled lot, we're in the hardest branch on the worst base with the worst job in the corps. They seperate us from everyone else as much as possible to avoid "incidents" it's funny to be a part of the whole thing.

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:34 pm

I don't think God created woman to be man's helper. If anything, I guess I agree with LeesBeth about it being two way.

To say that women were created to be man's helper implies that a) women were made for men, we're not important on our own, and b) that everyone is supposed to get married. I don't think everyone is supposed to get married.

I don't think that the Bible defines women and men roles. I think it defines women and men's roles for THOSE days. Doesn't mean we have to be stuck in the BCs. In the Bible we're told how to treat our slaves, so lets go get some slaves, coz they did back then.

I'm not denying that maybe men do want to protect women, but that doesn't mean women can't be there alongside them.

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Sparkling4Him wrote:

Loving the pet names. Which verse are they from??
Razz

Genesis 2:78...don't try to look it up; it's not there. Razz

(Actually, they came from too long working in this culture where everyone is honey babe...even the 25-year-old male managers use those pet names talking to the girls...it's kinda weird... Shocked

)

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Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:49 pm

Elisabeth wrote:

Sparkling4Him wrote:

Loving the pet names. Which verse are they from??
Razz

Genesis 2:78...don't try to look it up; it's not there. Razz

(Actually, they came from too long working in this culture where everyone is honey babe...even the 25-year-old male managers use those pet names talking to the girls...it's kinda weird... Shocked

)

Lol!
I'm not too fond of pet names. Well some are fine, but I think I would ignore anyone who called me honey babe..or babe at all. Heehee sheep pig.

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:28 pm

Bubblies wrote:

Elisabeth wrote:

Sparkling4Him wrote:

Loving the pet names. Which verse are they from??
Razz

Genesis 2:78...don't try to look it up; it's not there. Razz

(Actually, they came from too long working in this culture where everyone is honey babe...even the 25-year-old male managers use those pet names talking to the girls...it's kinda weird... Shocked

)

Lol!
I'm not too fond of pet names. Well some are fine, but I think I would ignore anyone who called me honey babe..or babe at all. Heehee sheep pig.

Yeah I'm not fond of them like that. Pet names can seem really sweet, I'm sure, if you're in a relationship in which for them to be sweet...but, when you call to check your schedule and the manager says, "You work at 6 honey...all right, thanks for calling dear, talk to you later", it's like, "What, I'm not your honey or your dear..."

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...they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Acts 17:11

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:15

Subject: Re: Women In The Military Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:34 pm

Bubblies wrote:

To say that women were created to be man's helper implies that a) women were made for men, we're not important on our own, and b) that everyone is supposed to get married. I don't think everyone is supposed to get married.

I completely understand what you're saying here, and I agree and disagree at the same time. Yes, you're right that this logic seems to implies everyone should be married, which is false. But it IS true that woman was made for man. I don't really think you can interpret the first few chapters of Genesis any other way. Adam was created. There was no other creature sutable for him as a companion. Eve was created. Therefore, Eve was created for Adam.

But this doesn't necessarily imply that all need marriage. Why? Because marriage, and even the creation of Eve for Adam, is a picture of a greater reality - that we (humans) were made for God. The reason women can be perfectly complete on our "own" is NOT because we were created independent and not as man's helpers, but because our completeness is found only in God. The relationship between husbands and wives is a picture of Christ and His church (not the other way around, btw!). But it is still an imperfect picture...

I also like the way John Piper puts it. He basically says that in a perfect world, we would all have soul mates, but in a fallen world, it sometimes becomes necessary for a person to remain single in order to do work that only a single person who is not distracted by worldly things (family, marriage) can do. This is what Paul is talking about with the whole gift of singleness.

And now this is very much off topic and I have no idea how to bring this back to the topic at hand.....maybe if people want to discuss this further, someone could start a new thread, but I don't know if anyone wants to discuss beyond what has already been said....

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Subject: Re: Women In The Military Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:02 am

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To say that women were created to be man's
helper implies that a) women were made for men, we're not important on
our own, and b) that everyone is supposed to get married. I don't think
everyone is supposed to get married.

Well, In the beginning God created Eve ( Woman ) for Adam. So I do think we were created for men. But that doesn't mean in the least we are not important on our own. just as Men are created for us. I do believe we are "mans helper" But not in the sense of we are less then men. I'm all for being mans helper!

And I didn't read any responses after this, So sorry if someone already said that!