Nobel Peace Prize

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RebeccaMc wrote:

Bubblies wrote:

Supporting homosexuals doesn't make you not a Christian, and neither does trying to build better relationships with the Muslim community.

How can you support gay marriage and believe it's ok and be a Christian? I don't think that building a relationship with Muslim countries is a non-Christian thing, but what about publicly rejecting the National day of Prayer and asking for a Muslim day of prayer instead?

Like I explained above- there is a difference between personal life and political life. I myself am an example. I think that Constitutionally, we cannot keep homosexual couples from getting married. Religiously, I think they are wrong, and I will witness to them.

However, its very important to remember that in the end, the gays won't go to a hotter portion of hell just because they're gay. They aren't any more in bondage to sin just because they're gay. They have one basic need, and that is the need all of us have, regardless of our upbringing, our 'goodness' in the eyes of men, or anything else- they need Jesus Christ. So, I will witness to them, but I will not keep them from getting married, because in the political sphere, I cannot.

I don't see how not going to the national day of prayer is horrid. And I have found no more supporting information for the Muslim day of prayer. No one I know has heard about it. I don't know, but it sounds like an urban legend to me. And even if he did- does it matter?! Really, does it matter? No. The only thing that matters when one is a president is whether they stand up for the Constitution or not. Their personal lives are of no interest to anyone, or shouldn't be.

Over all, I think I agree with Bubblies. Wink

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:36 am

Hey guys!

I haven't posted in years..., but at the risk of seeming negative....I'd like to say a few things. Smile

Ok, I believe homosexuality is dead wrong. I don't believe you are "born that way". I believe some people struggle with it more than others because of environment, peer pressure, and selfishness. I agree with you all that say how can Obama be "Christian" and still support these views that are so clearly an abomination in God's eyes. I agree with those of you who say his foreign policies cannot be Christian because everybody knows the sole purpose of Islam is to either convert the whole world to their religion and kill those who stand up for their faith in Jesus Christ; and those are the people he is swiftly letting in our country. HOWEVER, none of these clinch my belief that he isn't a Christian faster than his views on abortion. Guys, this guy supports and fights for Partial-birth Abortion!!! How can you be a Christian and by that I mean an active growing Christian, (Matthew 7:15-20) and still support the killing of innocent HUMAN BEINGS! This is not just naivete, folks, this is a grown man with children supporting and fighting for, murder. And those of you who are worried about hate crimes, do you know where most of the abortion clinics are? They are in the communities that are predominantly black or Hispanic. That is the plain truth. Don't tell me abortion isn't a race issue. Don't tell me life doesn't begin at conception, because the Bible clearly refutes that.

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13For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. Psalm 139:12-14

And I could go on, but Obama makes me feel like Head Bang

lol....I hope this wasn't just super passionate for you guys....but it seems to me like ya'll aren't looking at the big picture here. I'm alot less worried about the homosexuals than I am about his foreign policies and some of the things he's said. If some of these bills get passed, our right to freedom of speach will no longer exist. Our president should answer to God and the Constitution, not who is paying him behind our backs. We need a government who will revere the Almighty God and the Constitution which was built on Judeo-Christian principles. I am not afraid or intimidated to be called a Christian nation. Our Founding Fathers built this to be a Christian nation and Christians have dropped the ball. Sorry folks, but it's not the world who's changed. Their change is granted. It's the churches who have become lukewarm. Puzzled

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Liked your post, Reserved4One.

Bubblies wrote:

I think he's done some alright things though - like closing Guantanamo Bay, he told the CIA not to torture people, trying to discourage texting while driving, he signed the Matthew Shephard Act (Homosexuality may be a sin, but it's no where near as awful as a hate crime), and he's going to remove troops from Iraq (although I have no idea if that'll happen).

Was closing Guantanamo Bay really a good decision? I'm not sure that what happened there could be called "torture." Here's the deal...Guantanamo Bay was keeping the bad people (using the term loosely here...terrorists, murderers, etc.) off of American soil. When criminals get to America they are given rights that they aren't given at Guantanamo Bay. I think closing it was a bad decision.

Woohoo, Obama's discouraging texting while driving! So what? I'm sorry that I'm a little sarcastic/passionate, but just because laws are enacted and Obama says he doesn't like it, people will still do what they want to do.

Hate crime laws...well, this is a multi-faceted issue. True, publicly declaring hate for races or homosexuals or religions is wrong. However, these hate crime laws could very possibly strip us of our free speech. I should be able to hate whoever I want! No...that is not Christ-like, but I am saying in general people should be allowed to like who they want to like and dislike who they want to dislike. These hate crime laws can definitely get out of hand quickly.

I could care less at this point if homosexuals were allowed to "legally" get married. It's not anymore of a sin than having a homosexual relationship. That being said, it goes against what the people who founded our nation believed in.

And as Reserved4One said, abortion is completely and totally wrong. I find it funny--almost to the point of hilarity--that Obama tells the CIA not to torture people, yet he fully supports partial-birth abortion. How sick can people be? Too many people in America rattle on about how terrible it is to torture prisoners, how we should love everyone, yet millions of unborn babies have been selfishly murdered. It's ludicrous!

(Sorry for this passionate post. Please don't feel that I'm trying to be mean to any person here. If you would've been here with me in person and I was talking my voice would have gotten really loud and I would've been waving my arms...but that's just me. Smile

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:10 am

Lily Among Thorns wrote:

And as Reserved4One said, abortion is completely and totally wrong. I find it funny--almost to the point of hilarity--that Obama tells the CIA not to torture people, yet he fully supports partial-birth abortion. How sick can people be? Too many people in America rattle on about how terrible it is to torture prisoners, how we should love everyone, yet millions of unborn babies have been selfishly murdered. It's ludicrous!

Yes, funny in a terrible sort of way...how backwards! We're into saving criminals from the death penalty, saving terrorists from torture, and saving whales from death...yet we kill our own babies in torturous ways.

Reserved4One - good to see you and good post!

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:58 pm

I agree with you all (the last three or four posts) totally! I don't think you were too passionate at all.
The choice to close Guantanamo Bay doesn't seem smart to me. It didn't pass Congress because Obama didn't say what he was going to do with the prisoners there. Let them go? Please no! You can't close a prison without planning on what to do with the convicts.
About discouraging texting while driving, Obama isn't the only one supporting that. It increases the risk of car accidents, so who wouldn't be for it? That's not an Obama original idea, nor should it be credited to him.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:14 pm

RebeccaMc wrote:

About discouraging texting while driving, Obama isn't the only one supporting that. It increases the risk of car accidents, so who wouldn't be for it? That's not an Obama original idea, nor should it be credited to him.

Well...I'm actually against legislation against texting while driving... Razz

It really doesn't change the accident risk that much. When people are good at texting, they don't have to look at the text. I've both texted and called while driving, and I found the phone call to be much more distracting.

But...you're right that it's not Obama's own, and he shouldn't be given credit for it.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:08 pm

Yeah, I would be against legislation for it, but I like the idea of trying to discourage it, if there is a way to do that without passing laws.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:17 pm

Elisabeth wrote:

Well...I'm actually against legislation against texting while driving... Razz

It really doesn't change the accident risk that much. When people are good at texting, they don't have to look at the text. I've both texted and called while driving, and I found the phone call to be much more distracting.

But...you're right that it's not Obama's own, and he shouldn't be given credit for it.

that's a big *when*... because most people aren't that good at texting and do need to look at the phone. In Australia, both texting and talking on the phone while driving (you can use a hands free kit, but not actually hold the phone) are illegal... and it's been great. Much safer. I was nearly in an accident because the driving (and fron passenger!) were texting. If they hadn't been doing that, there is no way we would have come so close to crashing.

Just wondering (and trust me, this is linked to the discussion), do you guys know about deism??

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:19 pm

Deism? I think so.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:49 pm

I do not. Do you all know about NAIS?

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:45 pm

Lily Among Thorns wrote:

Was closing Guantanamo Bay really a good decision? I'm not sure that what happened there could be called "torture." Here's the deal...Guantanamo Bay was keeping the bad people (using the term loosely here...terrorists, murderers, etc.) off of American soil. When criminals get to America they are given rights that they aren't given at Guantanamo Bay. I think closing it was a bad decision.

I believe EVERYONE deserves a fair trial. Guantanamo Bay was just a way to get around dealing with those people in a decent and proper way.
I hate terrorism as much as anyone here (assuming you all hate it :-P). There was a case a couple years ago that I'm sure the Australians on here are familiar with. A guy called David Hicks was locked in Guantanamo Bay for 5 years with no trial. He was locked up coz he was suspected of training with Al Q...the bad guys (I can't spell it!). He finally got sent back to Australia where he got to have a trial. He was found guilty and sentenced, but coz he'd already spent 5 year in Guantanamo Bay, he didn't have as long to serve the second time around. Now I think that David Hicks is a traitor to Australia for training with those guys and I don't like him because of that, but even so, he is still a human, he is still an Australian, and so he deserves the same right to a fair trial that every other person in this country gets. Same should go for America.

As for abortion. Yeah I'm very much against abortion. And partial-birth abortions (or whatever they're called) are ESPECIALLY bad, but I'm not willing to say he's not a Christian because he support abortion. I will say I do no agree with him and maybe he should pray about it some more, but it's not up to me to decide whether he has accepted Jesus as his savior or not.
Isn't abortion a state issue?

Deism?

"Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme being created the universe, and that this (and religious truth in general) can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without a need for either faith or organized religion. Deists tend to, but do not necessarily, reject the notion of divine interventions in human affairs, such as by miracles and revelations. These views contrast with a dependence on revelations, miracles, and faith found in many Judeo-Christian, Islamic and other theistic teachings.
Deists typically reject most supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God (or "The Supreme Architect") has a plan for the universe that is not altered either by God intervening in the affairs of human life or by suspending the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources." - wikipedia

If you haven't noticed, I'm a wikipedia junkie lol! (yeah I know it's not the most reliable source, but it still helps.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:04 am

Sparkling4Him wrote:

do you guys know about deism??

Yes. And I know that many of America's founding fathers were deists. They believed in God, but not necessarily in a "Christian" way. However, that still does not negate the fact that this mixture of Christians, deists, and atheists chose to found our country on Judeo-Christian ethics and morals. Any legislation that goes against these ethics and moral practices is not staying true to the original intent of the founding fathers. I won't say that our country is a "Christian Nation" because we were founded by more than just Christian men. But I WILL say that in order to stay true to our Constitution and the founder's original intent, we must follow Judeo-Christian ethics and morals.

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:12 pm

Nicely put! I totally agree.

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Musicgirl... wrote:

Sparkling4Him wrote:

do you guys know about deism??

Yes. And I know that many of America's founding fathers were deists. They believed in God, but not necessarily in a "Christian" way. However, that still does not negate the fact that this mixture of Christians, deists, and atheists chose to found our country on Judeo-Christian ethics and morals. Any legislation that goes against these ethics and moral practices is not staying true to the original intent of the founding fathers. I won't say that our country is a "Christian Nation" because we were founded by more than just Christian men. But I WILL say that in order to stay true to our Constitution and the founder's original intent, we must follow Judeo-Christian ethics and morals.

But not everyone agrees with 'Judeo-Christian ethics and morals'. We need to stick to what is the ultimate law of this country- the Constitution. If you want to evangelize and spread the Word, that is what you should do to get Judeo-Christian ethics and morals out there. Don't use the government to be lazy.

Sorry if this comes across as rude, but this is really just one of my biggest pet peeves. I see Christians doing it all the time- wanting the government to pass laws about things that aren't any of their business, then whining when the government does the same thing, just in an area they don't want them to! How hypocritical!

Bubblies- I agree totally about Gitmo. Many of the men imprisoned in Gitmo have never even come before a military tribunal, and though the 'torture' techniques used are kind of hilarious IMHO, they still go against the Geneva Conventions, which the US did sign. Furthermore, not giving them even the benefit of a military hearing is against said conventions, and it is wrong. They may be terrorists, but we need to still treat them like human beings and give them a 'fair and speedy trial'.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:40 pm

When did terrorists get rights under the American Constitution? That applies to Americans.

I'm not for legalizing wickedness just because "oh well, they think it's ok." If you want the country to die fast, sure, make it all legal. If you want to stick around for a bit, make laws.