Nobel Peace Prize

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:59 pm

Waltzing Rapunzel wrote:

Musicgirl... wrote:

Bubblies wrote:

He has done nothing that makes me think he's not.

He's done A LOT to make me think he's not!

Yes, i TOTALLY agree!

A christian would not support Gays or racisists, for example....

I would modify this to say he wouldn't support homosexuality, rather than not support gays...the people should be respected and loved; their sexual views, though, are not in accordance with a Biblical worldview.

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:03 pm

OK, i see your point!
BUT I can love someone without respecting them, I don't see that respect is nessesary!

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Elisabeth wrote:

Waltzing Rapunzel wrote:

Musicgirl... wrote:

Bubblies wrote:

He has done nothing that makes me think he's not.

He's done A LOT to make me think he's not!

Yes, i TOTALLY agree!

A christian would not support Gays or racisists, for example....

I would modify this to say he wouldn't support homosexuality, rather than not support gays...the people should be respected and loved; their sexual views, though, are not in accordance with a Biblical worldview.

I would modify it still further, if I might. As you know, I personally think that homosexuality is a sin. The Bible says it is, and it needs the blood of Jesus to get rid of the sin. But I still support the rights of every person to get married, regardless of their orientation, as their Constitutional rights are no less real than mine.

But I digress. Wink

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Waltzing Rapunzel wrote:

OK, i see your point!
BUT I can love someone without respecting them, I don't see that respect is nessesary!

Respect is always necessary when dealing with people, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. For instance, its respect that makes sure we don't kill each other- respect for differences of opinion, respect for differences, period. It's a lack of respect for differences that makes the Muslims want to kill us.

Now, I'm not saying that we should tolerate evil- far from it. But we should respect the people, because you can't love with respect, in my opinion.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:15 pm

Kyla Denae wrote:

Waltzing Rapunzel wrote:

OK, i see your point!
BUT I can love someone without respecting them, I don't see that respect is nessesary!

Respect is always necessary when dealing with people, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. For instance, its respect that makes sure we don't kill each other- respect for differences of opinion, respect for differences, period. It's a lack of respect for differences that makes the Muslims want to kill us.

Now, I'm not saying that we should tolerate evil- far from it. But we should respect the people, because you can't love with respect, in my opinion.

*nods head* You have a point there...

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:34 pm

Bubblies wrote:

Examples?

Obama is pro-Palestinian, is he not?

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:53 pm

Waltzing Rapunzel wrote:

Kyla Denae wrote:

Waltzing Rapunzel wrote:

OK, i see your point!
BUT I can love someone without respecting them, I don't see that respect is nessesary!

Respect is always necessary when dealing with people, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. For instance, its respect that makes sure we don't kill each other- respect for differences of opinion, respect for differences, period. It's a lack of respect for differences that makes the Muslims want to kill us.

Now, I'm not saying that we should tolerate evil- far from it. But we should respect the people, because you can't love with respect, in my opinion.

*nods head* You have a point there...

I was going to say something 'bout like what Kyla said...but she beat me to it. Razz

We are to be respectful and polite. 1 Peter 3:15 says "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence..."

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Acts 17:11

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:15

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:18 pm

Obama seems to make good friends with terrorists and then deny that he either knows them or say that he just met them.
Our country has a National Day of Prayer and Obama refused to participate in it.
It's not likely that he was born in the United States, and if so, then he's illegally our president and weaseled his way into office. That's not very Christian.
When people would ask him about things in his campaign, he didn't like to answer questions directly, he would say one or two things and then rabbit-trail. He didn't let us know what he was going to do. If everything was above ground, there would be nothing for him to hide.

And the fact that our media LOVES him so much would indicate that he's a bad guy. Very Happy

(Our media is SOOO far left liberal it's sickening.)

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:48 pm

Supporting homosexuals doesn't make you not a Christian, and neither does trying to build better relationships with the Muslim community.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:55 pm

Bubblies wrote:

Supporting homosexuals doesn't make you not a Christian, and neither does trying to build better relationships with the Muslim community.

How can you support gay marriage and believe it's ok and be a Christian? I don't think that building a relationship with Muslim countries is a non-Christian thing, but what about publicly rejecting the National day of Prayer and asking for a Muslim day of prayer instead?

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:28 pm

He's the President of a country that isn't just made up of Christians. He can't just make decisions based on what will keep the Christians happy.

I think he's done some alright things though - like closing Guantanamo Bay, he told the CIA not to torture people, trying to discourage texting while driving, he signed the Matthew Shephard Act (Homosexuality may be a sin, but it's no where near as awful as a hate crime), and he's going to remove troops from Iraq (although I have no idea if that'll happen).

I don't necessarily think homosexuality is ok, but I'd be fine with gay marriage (meaning I'm not out there fighting for it, but I wouldn't care if it happened). Does that mean I'm not a Christian? As I said, he's the leader of a country that has more than just Christians in it.

I might be wrong, but Obama didn't do anything formal for the National Day of Prayer. I think in his speech he referred to Muslims, and then Muslims did their own thing on Capitol Hill, it wasn't a Muslim Day of Prayer. I think he was trying to remind people that Muslims are also part of the country and they pray too. While Bush was around, it was all just Evangelical Christians.

I don't see why Muslims AND Christians can't both go to Capitol Hill and pray.

Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:00 am

RebeccaMc wrote:

How can you support gay marriage and believe it's ok and be a Christian?

Our salvation does not depend on our thoughts and opinions. Or what we support. It depends totally and utterly on Christ's sacrifice at Calvary and His resurrection 3 days later.

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:27 am

Sparkling4Him wrote:

Our salvation does not depend on our thoughts and opinions. Or what we support. It depends totally and utterly on Christ's sacrifice at Calvary and His resurrection 3 days later.

But the PROOF of this salvation is that Christ's sacrifice actually changes us. We aren't supposed to look like the world and think like the world anymore. Paul says in Romans that we are not to conform to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Obama's political ideas conform more to a worldly perspective than a godly. The proof is in the pudding!

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:35 am

Musicgirl... wrote:

But the PROOF of this salvation is that Christ's sacrifice actually changes us.

Agreed. But I disagree with Rebecca's question, which was why I responded like I did...

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Subject: Re: Nobel Peace Prize Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:31 am

RebeccaMc wrote:

Obama seems to make good friends with terrorists and then deny that he either knows them or say that he just met them.
Our country has a National Day of Prayer and Obama refused to participate in it.
It's not likely that he was born in the United States, and if so, then he's illegally our president and weaseled his way into office. That's not very Christian.
When people would ask him about things in his campaign, he didn't like to answer questions directly, he would say one or two things and then rabbit-trail. He didn't let us know what he was going to do. If everything was above ground, there would be nothing for him to hide.

And the fact that our media LOVES him so much would indicate that he's a bad guy.

(Our media is SOOO far left liberal it's sickening.)

Way to go, girl! My feeling totally! Except for the birth certificate thing, of which I wonder...

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You are most like Peter Pevensie, once High King of Narnia. As Peter, you are brave, loyal yet intelligent, and are greatly respected for upholding what you think is right.